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Legault had no knowledge of SAAQClic overruns before AG report, commission hears

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Legault had no knowledge of SAAQClic overruns before AG report, commission hears

Ruby Pratka, LJI reporter

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MONTREAL – Premier François Legault knew nothing about the tens of millions of dollars in cost overruns incurred by the failed overhaul of the Société d’assurance automobile du Québec (SAAQ) online platform (SAAQClic) until the release of the auditor general’s report in February of this year. Legault repeatedly affirmed that when he testified under oath before the Gallant Commission in Montreal on Sept. 2.

The first indication Legault had that the project might have been running into difficulty, he testified, was when lines formed outside SAAQClic service points following the failed launch in February 2023.

Although Legault has sat in the National Assembly as CAQ leader since 2012 – well before the previous Liberal government signed the initial SAAQClic contract with a trio of third-party IT firms known as the Alliance – and served as premier since 2018, he testified that the SAAQ overhaul had never previously been on his radar. He testified that the province was coming out of “seven years of crisis – the COVID pandemic; the [surge in] temporary immigration which had an impact on services, housing and the French language in Montreal; the cost of living crisis” when the SAAQ debacle first drew lineups and headlines. “What’s going on at the SAAQ is a crisis but you can’t say it’s on the same scale as the pandemic.

“In February 2023, I was told there were lines. I was told we had closed the offices and reopened them without adding personnel and that’s what caused the lines. No one talked to me about [the cost overruns] until February 2025. Before that, I thought there was a launch problem and the launch problem had been solved,” he testified. During an interrogation that swung between deference and pugnacity, he later told chief prosecutor Simon Tremblay he wasn’t aware of the full amount of the contract until 2025 – even though, as previous testimony has laid out, senior civil servants had raised concerns as early as 2020. Then- cybersecurity minister Éric Caire was aware in 2021 that there had been “cost overrun and deadline problems for a long time,” according to an email presented as evidence.

The SAAQ is a Crown corporation with an autonomous governing board that operates at arm’s length from the government, but for which the Ministry of Transport and the Treasury Board have some oversight. Legault initially appeared to blame Transport Minister Geneviève Guilbault, the deputy premier and a longtime ally, and her predecessor François Bonnardel for the communications failure, without naming them. “The minister of digital transformation [Caire], the minister of finance [Eric Girard] and the Treasury Board are in advisory roles, but it is the role of the minister of transport to ensure that everything is done right. The minister and their team need to inform the other ministries and the premier’s office. In an ideal world, they would make sure everyone has the same information.”

He later tempered that assertion, stating that the SAAQ was responsible for keeping the ministers fully informed, implying the agency hadn’t lived up to that responsibility.

Legault and Tremblay sparred over the distinction between the cost of the contract and the project’s total cost before Legault conceded that “as a businessman, I think I would have asked more questions.”

Legault criticized the previous Liberal government, which he said had negotiated the contract without planning for cost overruns; the handling of the February 2023 customer service crisis; and the fact he had been kept in the dark for so long. He said it was “not normal” that he should be made aware of a $500-million cost overrun months after the fact. “Delegating to a Crown corporation does not mean not asking questions or not doing follow-up.” He reminded the commission that he had decided to call a public inquiry to shed light on the debacle after the auditor general’s report.

The commission also heard from Martin Koskinen, Legault’s longtime confidant and chief of staff, who said he was made aware of SAAQClic – or CASA, as it was then known – after the 2022 election, but that it was not considered a priority at that time, and didn’t appear on his radar until the failed 2023 rollout. He essentially absolved Guilbault, Bonnardel and Caire, placing responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the SAAQ. “How could the SAAQ have failed – how could they not have seen the potential risks?” he wondered aloud.

Later that week, the commission heard from senior SAAQ personnel, including Nadia Fournier, the agency’s government relations manager, who said she didn’t pre-verify information that was sent to her to be transmitted to Guilbault’s office, and that higher- ranking staff sometimes contacted officials directly without putting her “in the loop.” Other SAAQ witnesses laid out convoluted project management practices. Because of a lack of local expertise in the programming language needed for the platform, the commission heard, the agency hired programmers in India, who hadn’t been briefed on what the program was supposed to do, leading to confusing exchanges in French, English and programming code during which a lot seemed to be lost in translation.

“It was an immense project … and no one knew what we were going to do to make it work” within the timeline established, testified Marie- Claude Lemire, a SAAQ planner and project manager.

Commission hearings return to Quebec City this week.

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Guilbault, Bonnardel weren’t fully informed about SAAQClic cost overruns, commission hears

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Guilbault, Bonnardel weren’t fully informed about SAAQClic cost overruns, commission hears

Ruby Pratka, Local Journalism Initiative reporter

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MONTREAL – In remarkable testimony before the Gallant commission on Aug. 22, Transport Minister Geneviève Guilbault claimed she had only learned about the millions of dollars in cost overruns incurred by the failed launch of the Société de l’assurance automobile du Québec (SAAQ) online platform known as SAAQClic in February of this year, when Auditor General Guylaine Leclerc’s report revealed the overruns to the public.

The SAAQ is a Crown corporation that operates at arm’s length from the transport ministry (MTQ), with its own CEO and board of directors named by the government. Guilbault’s testimony painted a picture of Denis Marsolais and Konrad Sioui – respectively CEO and board chair of the SAAQ at the height of the crisis – as out of their depth and unaware of the scale of the problem and their own responsibilities. Guilbault claimed she was misled by Marsolais, her former boss in the public service. “We had hundreds of conversations …and I did not know he had signed any addenda [on a contract with a third-party supplier which approved cost overruns],” Guilbault told the commission, presided over by Commissioner Denis Gallant. “The first time I saw the figure of $1.1 billion [the estimated total cost of the failed project] was in the auditor general’s report.” However, the commission heard that in June 2023, Marsolais’ successor Éric Ducharme presented Guilbault’s office with a document detailing the cost overruns; Guilbault, whose testimony was otherwise precise, initially said she had no memory of seeing the document with her own eyes, before acknowledging under oath that she was aware of cost overruns of over $200 million in June 2023. She denied that she or her office deliberately misled taxpayers. “He [Marsolais] was well aware of that and he never told me.” As late as March 2024, with the approval of Guilbault and Finance Minister Éric Girard, Cabinet raised the cap on the amount of money the SAAQ was allowed to borrow.

Guilbault’s testimony also raised wider governance questions. She noted that while cost overruns on a project directly controlled by the MTQ need to be approved by the Treasury Board, Crown corporations “can spend hundreds of millions of [additional] dollars without communicating.” She testified that while overruns equivalent to more than 10 per cent of the total value of a contract need to be flagged to the Treasury Board, each of the successive overruns approved by Marsolais was just under the threshold. She claimed she discovered Marsolais’ strategy in the auditor general’s report.

She also noted that when she took over the transport portfolio from current public safety minister François Bonnardel after the October 2022 election, the two did not discuss SAAQClic – or CASA, as it was then known – as part of the handover.

Six months later, while Guilbault was on a public transit fact-finding mission in Europe, SAAQClic was launched – before it had been thoroughly tested – and crashed on arrival. She described the planning of the shutdown of the old platform and relaunch of the new one as “very deficient.” She cut her overseas trip short and, as she described it, “took charge of the whole thing” for several weeks. “I said, Denis [Marsolais], this is a zoo, what in the world is going on here (C’est le bordel; c’est quoi c’t’affaire-là)? Weren’t you ready?” The situation was exacerbated by the fact that 70 per cent of SAAQ service points were operated by third-party contractors (often municipalities), limiting the agency’s control over day-to-day operations. “How do you expect us to take control and correct the problem if we don’t know what’s going on at 70 per cent of the service points?” In closing remarks, Guilbault said the agency was going through an “accountability crisis.”

Guilbault said she and current interim SAAQ CEO Annie Lafond, who took over from Ducharme after he was shown the door in July, were eager to “start cleaning house” once the work of the commission wraps up. Guilbault may not be in place to lead that transformation; a Cabinet shuffle is expected shortly after Labour Day. When Guilbault was sworn in, she identified herself as MNA for the Quebec City riding of Louis- Hébert, not by her ministerial title.

‘We were all tarnished’

Bonnardel, testifying the day before Guilbault, also heaped blame on the SAAQ and par- ticularly on Marsolais. He denied that his office knowingly misled Quebecers. He raised similar concerns regarding communication between his predecessor as transport minister, Liberal Laurent Lessard; then-SAAQ CEO Nathalie Tremblay, who was close to retirement; and his office when he came to power in 2018. “Why the SAAQ did not give me the whole picture when I started [as transport minister] in 2018, I don’t know that even today,” he said. “Every $100 that we spend adds up to billions, and every extra thousand that we pay must be defended and explained,” said Bonnardel. “The SAAQ was tarnished and we all were tarnished and Quebecers are seeing it today and they don’t deserve that.”

Hearings continue this week in Montreal. A complete list of those expected to testify was not available at press time, although Health Minister and former Treasury Board president Christian Dubé, former cybersecurity minister Éric Caire and current Treasury Board president Sonia LeBel are expected to testify in the next few days. Radio-Canada reported on Aug. 25 that they may be followed by Premier François Legault.

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Guilbault gets $275 million to make third link bridge-tunnel irreversible

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Guilbault gets $275 million to make third link bridge-tunnel irreversible

Peter Black, Local Journalism Initiative reporter

peterblack@qctonline.com

Transport Minister Geneviève Guilbault has said on several occasions her goal is to make the “third link” project ir- reversible.

With an election slated for October next year that polls suggest may oust the Coalition Avenir Québec (CAQ) government, the window is closing for Guilbault to push the bridge- tunnel plan past the point of no return.

Last week, according to several media reports confirmed by Guilbault’s office, the CAQ cabinet approved $275 million in funding to allow the minister to move forward on the project, one the government has revised, cancelled and then revived again, arguing that a third bridge is necessary for economic and security reasons.

A spokesperson for the minister said the money accorded Guilbault was already in the 2019 infrastructure budget and not “new money.”

In June, Guilbault announced the government’s recommended route for the proposed link, a bridge from Autoroute 40 in Lévis to be connected to a tunnel to be bored somewhere in the Cap Diamant area on the North Shore and exiting to connect with either Boul. Pierre-Bertrand or Autoroute Robert-Bourassa.

At the time of her announce- ment of the route, Guilbault said, “In my mind, I want to make the project irreversible before the next election, and therefore protect it from the outcome of the next election.

“We’re no longer in the ‘for or against’ debate about the third link. We need to create a third link, and I’m working on how to complete it as quickly as possible. We’re going to create the best project at the best price.”

Guilbault said she will reveal more details on the route and the projected cost sometime in the fall. A recent Radio-Canada report cited experts who have pegged the cost of building the third link at between $5.3 and $9.3 billion, not including many associated costs.

The federal government has distanced itself from the project and possible financ- ing. Minister of Government Services and Procurement Joël Lightbound, the MP for Louis-Hébert, said at the time of Guilbault’s route announcement, “The federal government’s position doesn’t really change, because there isn’t a project that has really been put forward.”

In the past, the federal Liberals have said a third link project that gave priority to car and truck traffic as opposed to public transit would not be eligible for funding.

The quarter-billion dollars accorded Guilbault for the third link raised the ire of the Opposition Quebec Liberal Party. In a statement to the QCT, Monsef Derraji, critic for transport, said, “At a time when Quebec is facing serious financial challenges, it’s hard to justify allocating $275 million to a third-link project that lacks a clear route, timeline, or solid scientific backing.”

He said, “While the CAQ government is making cuts to health and education, it is pouring hundreds of millions into a project with no proven necessity. This isn’t just poor planning – it’s a matter of misplaced priorities.”

Radio-Canada also uncovered concrete evidence the third link project is advancing on the ground. It reported geotechnical drilling to determine the quality and composition of the ground is to be done on some 50 sites on both the south and north shores, as well as in the St. Lawrence River itself. The work started in early July and is expected to be completed in September.

The $46-million contract for the work was awarded in February to a consortium comprising French, American and Canadian engineering firms.

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Marchand meets Carney, talks transit with Guilbault

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Marchand meets Carney, talks transit with Guilbault

Peter Black, Local Journalism Initiative reporter

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Mayor Bruno Marchand got to talk transit matters with Transport Minister Geneviève Guilbault on April 23, a meeting the mayor had sought to get explanations for recent government moves.

The two, along with Infrastructure and capital region Minister Jonatan Julien, met for 90 minutes at Guilbault’s ministry office. After the meeting, only Marchand spoke with reporters.

The meeting became an urgent matter for the mayor in light of cuts to major transportation projects in the city contained in the Coalition Avenir Québec government’s March 25 budget.

The projects are the construction of a large garage for the city’s fleet of electric buses, the creation of reserved lanes for buses on freeways in the city, and a further phase of the reconfiguration of roads accessing the two bridges.

These cuts came to light just as it became known the CAQ government had awarded a $46-million contract for planning work for the third link – a bridge across the St. Lawrence River.

Marchand told reporters the talks were cordial and “everyone had the courage and strength to tell each other what they thought.”

He said, “We offered them alternative solutions, interim solutions, because the work is currently not progressing. We are working with them to find solutions, particularly to ensure that the money that has been invested is not wasted.”

Some of that money – specifically $203 million for the electric bus garage – comes from the federal government. Federal funding for Quebec City projects was likely on the agenda when Marchand had an impromptu breakfast meeting April 22 with Prime Minister and Liberal Leader Mark Carney.

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Anger at City Hall as CAQ nixes transit projects

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Anger at City Hall as CAQ nixes transit projects

Peter Black, Local Journalism Initiative reporter

peterblack@qctonline.com

The Coalition Avenir Québec (CAQ) govern- ment has quietly killed or postponed indefinitely at least four major traffic improvement projects in Quebec City, valued at some $2.5 billion.

The moves provoked a storm of reaction at City Hall and the National Assembly, with calls for Transport Minister Geneviève Guilbault and Minister for the Capital Region Jonatan Julien to be held accountable.

The iced projects are the creation of reserved traffic lanes in the suburbs, a component of the overall tramway plan; the next phase of the reconfiguration of the “spaghetti” of access ramps to the Pierre-Laporte and Quebec bridges; the long-awaited overpass to relieve traffic congestion at the intersection of Boul. Lebourgneuf and Autoroute Robert-Bourassa; and the garage for the city’s new fleet of electric buses on Ave. Newton, which is already under construction.

In the wake of the revelations, Guilbault, claiming a communications error, said the Lebourgneuf overpass project would be reconsidered.

The cancellation of the reserved lanes first came to light when journalists took a close look at documents about infrastructure spending released as part of Finance Minister Eric Girard’s big-deficit budget on March 25.

The 104 kilometres worth of reserved bus lanes had been included in the CAQ government’s global plan for transit in the Quebec City region. At an estimated cost of some $850 million, the lanes would have been introduced on autoroutes Henri-IV, Robert- Bourassa, Laurentienne and Félix-Leclerc.

The Réseau de Transport de la Capitale (RTC) reacted by way of a news release, saying it had not been informed of the change before the tabling of the budget.

The cancellation of the massive Newton garage project, under construction on the site of the former Simons distribution centre, caused the city to convene a news conference on April 3 to denounce the move, which the government said was due to the high cost, estimated at $647 million. Instead, the transport ministry is recommending a large shelter for the fleet of 180 electric buses the city was planning on acquiring.

Nicolas Girard, director general of the RTC, said, “It should be remembered that the Newton Centre project stems from the government’s decision to finance only the purchase of electric buses by public transit companies starting in 2025. In line with these government guidelines, the RTC is committed to carrying out this project, respecting all the required steps. The authorizations obtained to date have led us to spend several million, significant investments that have now been abandoned.”

According to the RTC, $94 million of the $146 million already approved for the project has been spent. Liberal MP Jean-Yves Duclos, speaking at an unrelated news conference April 4, said he wants to know what is happening to the $203 million Ottawa has committed to the Newton garage project. “In December 2024, the provincial government confirmed the federal grant to the RTC. We’re in a state of uncertainty.”

Mayor Bruno Marchand, who had not been officially informed of any of the CAQ government cuts to city projects, told reporters, “It’s been a hard week for Quebec City.”

The mayor said, “Planning a city, planning transportation and mobility can’t be done in the short term. You can’t plan for one month, two months, or three months. These are projects that take years to build, years to think about, design and then implement.”

Opposition and Québec d’abord Leader Claude Villeneuve said, “We talk to all the MNAs in the region, including the CAQ MNAs – and no one tells us the same thing. They don’t know what they’re doing.”

Transition Québec Leader and Limoilou Coun. Jackie Smith, calling the CAQ “une gang de colons” (a bunch of morons), said, “They take us for idiots. The CAQ doesn’t respect the intelligence of the people of Quebec.”

At the National Assembly, Parti Québécois MNA for Jean-Talon Pascal Paradis said, “What a pathetic week for transportation and sustain- able mobility in the Capitale- Nationale region.”

Liberal interim leader Marc Tanguay said at a National Assembly news briefing, “They’re out of money, so the garage has been shut down. François Legault, to the garage! The CAQ, to the garage; let’s put them in the garage.”

In various media reports, Guilbault defended the CAQ government’s actions, saying it had committed large amounts in the Quebec City region to such projects as the new bridge for Île d’Orléans and the pro- posed “third link,” a new bridge across the St. Lawrence River.

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Guilbault: 23 companies interested in third link project

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Guilbault: 23 companies interested in third link project

Peter Black

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Calling it “excellent news,” Transport Minister and Louis- Hébert MNA Geneviève Guilbault announced last week that 23 companies have responded to the “international call for interest” in the proposed project to build a third link between Quebec City and Lévis.

The minister convened a news conference on Nov. 27 to make the announcement, less than seven weeks after she had issued the call on Oct. 11. Companies had 30 days to submit a proposal to take part in the process.

Guilbault said 29 companies had requested the required documentation to prepare a proposal, and 23 of those officially threw their hats in the ring.

“Twenty-three companies is a lot,” Guilbault said. “When we look at this type of call for interest procedure, we don’t do it systematically in all projects, we do it occasion- ally in major projects … Of all the times we’ve made calls for interest, this is the time when the most companies have shown interest.”

The transport ministry has engaged consultants KPMG to “organize interviews between interested companies and representatives of the ministry. The results of these meetings will then be analyzed independently,” according to a news release.

Guilbault said that with the application process, “We were ultimately testing two things: interest in a project and inter- est in doing this project in a collaborative mode with the Quebec government, and the response was more than positive. I must tell you, obviously, when we launch these types of procedures, we do not know in advance what the result will be.”

Guilbault rejected talk of adapting the Quebec Bridge, recently repatriated by the federal government, as an op- tion for heavy vehicle traffic. “[D]espite everything I hear from the federal government … about the Quebec Bridge, the reality is that it is not an option for trucking, and we need a third link to ensure the security of freight transporta- tion in particular.”

The minister said she would report back on the results of the vetting process “in early 2025.”

Of the 23 interested companies, Guilbault said 65 per cent are engineering firms, 30 per cent contractors and the rest management firms. Some 13 of the companies are identified on the government’s publicly accessible tender website, although Guilbault only named two, Ingerop, a British-French firm, and Construction Demathieu & Bard, whose head office is in Saint-Jérôme.

If all goes according to plan, Guilbault hopes to see a contract to build the link signed in 2027, construction start the next year, and the structure open in 2034-2035. No budget has been set for the project.

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Opposition attacks CAQ for more tramway delays

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TRAM TRACKER

Opposition attacks CAQ for more tramway delays

Peter Black, Local Journalism Initiative reporter

Four months after the Coalition Avenir Québec government announced its approval of the first phase of Quebec City’s tramway project, a deal is yet to be signed to restart construction.

The prolonged delay has the Quebec Liberal Party transport critic and MNA for Nelligan Monsef Derraji wondering whether the CAQ government is stalling in the hopes a Conservative federal government under Pierre Poilievre will kill the project if it comes to power in the coming months.

Derraji and other opposition members grilled Transport Minister Geneviève Guilbault for two hours in the National Assembly on Sept. 27 on the tramway project.

In an interview with the QCT, Derraji said the problem for the CAQ government is “they have no money.” He said the government has been cutting programs and now Guilbault “said she’s waiting for money to come in from the federal government” for the tramway project.

He said Premier François Legault had called on the Bloc Québécois to support a Conservative non-confidence motion to defeat Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government. The premier “wants as soon as possible an election on the federal level.”

Poilievre has said on several occasions “he would give nothing to the tramway project,” Derraji said. The way he sees it, Legault and Guilbault “are waiting for a federal election, and after that they will say we don’t have the money for this project.”

Derraji said Guilbault had promised in June to give a mandate to the Caisse de dépôt et placement infrastructure division (CDPQ Infra) to restart work on the first phase of the $5.1-billion project.

“Why is she waiting? Next year we’ll have Pierre Poilievre.” Derraji noted that while Poilievre opposes the tramway, he has said a Conservative federal government would help finance the CAQ’s plan for a “third link” bridge across the St. Lawrence River.

Besides Derraji, opposition MNAs Étienne Grandmont of Québec Solidaire — whose riding would be home to several tramway stations if the project goes ahead — and Joël Arseneau of the Parti Québécois questioned Guilbault.

For her part, Guilbault said sending a mandate letter to CDPQ Infra is not a simple matter. “They [the opposition] just talk about the letter, but I don’t know if they understand how it works, the preparation and design of a major project. There are several things happening at the same time.”

She said meetings have been taking place between government officials and CDPQ Infra since June, when the agency submitted a report the CAQ government had requested that recommended a sweep- ing urban transit project for Quebec City and Lévis, to be called Circuit intégré de transport express or Cité.

Guilbauilt said the project transition committee last met on Sept. 24. “It’s important for people to know that the project is moving forward,” the minister told the opposition members at the National Assembly session.

As for federal funding, Guilbault said there are “certain people in the current fed- eral Liberal government who claimed in the newspapers that they were on target. That’s their usual claim: ‘We’re on target.’ But what does that mean in real life? For me, a target is money … I negotiate with them, I make my requests and I wait for the cheque, and the cheque doesn’t arrive.”

Jean-Yves Duclos, the federal minister of public services and procurement and MP for Québec, denied Guilbault’s claim (see separate story).  

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Duclos to Guilbault: Tram money is ‘in the bank’

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Duclos to Guilbault: Tram money is ‘in the bank’

Peter Black, Local Journalism Initiative reporter

peterblack@qctonline.com

Federal minister and Liberal Quebec lieutenant Jean-Yves Duclos has sharply refuted Quebec Transport Minister Geneviève Guilbault’s claim Ottawa has yet to “send a cheque” to help finance Quebec City’s tramway project.

Duclos responded to Guilbault’s comments at a media scrum on Oct. 4 following a Quebec City announcement about loans for small busi- nesses. The minister had taken the swipe at the federal govern- ment a week earlier in front of a National Assembly session focused on the tramway project. “I wait for the cheque and the cheque doesn’t arrive,” Guilbault said, in the context of answering questions from opposition MNAs about the CAQ government’s delay in mandating the resumption of construction of the first phase of the tramway project, as promised in June.

Duclos told reporters the federal government has put “$1.5 billion and more in a bank account for the Quebec [City] region for the tramway.”

As for Guilbault’s comments, “I say this with respect, but sometimes I need to say things more clearly … I explained to her again last week what she should have understood a long time ago. I told her several times. I don’t know why it’s not getting through.”

Duclos, who recently took over as Liberal lieutenant for Quebec in the wake of Pablo Rodriguez’s decision to seek the Quebec Liberal Party leadership, said, “To claim that there is no money from the Canadian government is false, and I think everyone should admit that, including Ms. Guilbault. We have to stop diverting attention and going back over old issues that have been clarified for a long time.”

Duclos said when Guilbault sends the bill for the tramway, “we’ll send her a cheque.”

As for the threat of a future Conservative government under Pierre Poilievre, who has said he would not fund the tramway project, Duclos said the Conservative leader “wants to steal money from the tramway bank account of people in the Quebec City region. We can’t imagine that he would want to do that, but knowing Pierre Poilievre, it’s pure Pierre Poilievre.”

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